Subject	Can't say there are too many VGs pushing 1000 HP either
Posted by	LitlElvis on February 13, 2010 at 1:54 PM
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In Reply To	my thoughts exactly posted by ZLover4Life on February 12, 2010 at 09:21 PM
Message	To make that much HP, the RPM range will be 8000+ without a doubt and the rod bolts will become critical. If you compare the cross-sectional area of both bolts to the weakest cross-sectional area of the rod and then figure the tensile strength of both, you would see the importance of quality bolt material. If someone's rods are bending or breaking at lower power levels, I'd look into better rods (e.g. no off-shore junk) and verify the rest of engine build was targeted around the RPM and power levels expected.
Follow Ups	Rod Suggestions for 1000hp+ Z's - toykoz32 16:03:56 02/12/10 Re: Rod Suggestions for 1000hp+ Z's - Tech@EPR 17:52:48 02/12/10 Nobody ever considers the bolts... Crower with 280ksi bolts - LitlElvis 18:42:00 02/12/10 Can they be up graded? (n/m) - toykoz32 19:30:44 02/12/10 ARP offers quite a few bolts in the 260 to 280ksi range - LitlElvis 19:38:27 02/12/10 Re: Nobody ever considers the bolts... Crower with 280ksi bolts - Tech@EPR 19:48:31 02/12/10 my thoughts exactly - ZLover4Life 21:21:46 02/12/10 Re: my thoughts exactly - Tech@EPR 21:44:14 02/12/10 I prefer Pauters (n/m) - ztunerz 21:50:31 02/12/10 Which Rods are those in the PIC? (n/m) - Nostype2 06:08:43 02/13/10 look like crowers (n/m) - ztunerz 08:55:30 02/13/10 What's the story on those? - ClayZ90TT 10:46:42 02/13/10 Those look like Steve Melsons rods after the crank broke... (n/m) - Machtavian 14:03:44 02/13/10 Whats rods did you use Octavian? (n/m) - RevTech 17:19:25 02/13/10 I had stock rods in my car on my last build - Machtavian 17:31:02 02/13/10 But you ran 35+psi on a 30psi tune correct? (n/m) - RevTech 21:33:04 02/13/10 It was retuned, it had nothing to do with it. - Machtavian 23:26:04 02/13/10 You're saying the 2jz stock rods are stronger than the vg... - RevTech 00:31:47 02/14/10 Dude, that rod is damaged from some mechanical failure - LitlElvis 13:45:21 02/13/10 Re: Dude, that rod is damaged from some mechanical failure - Tech@EPR 16:43:28 02/13/10 I see, your point is the bolts didn't break so therefore - LitlElvis 19:15:54 02/13/10 Re: I see, your point is the bolts didn't break so therefore - Tech@EPR 19:57:13 02/13/10 good enough for the average build, and not one penny more - LitlElvis 20:12:21 02/13/10 Re: good enough for the average build, and not one penny more - Tech@EPR 22:07:19 02/14/10 I agree - aliaZ 11:30:35 02/15/10 Re: I see, your point is the bolts didn't break so therefore - Tech@EPR 20:16:22 02/13/10 agreed - aliaZ 11:21:11 02/15/10 Re: agreed - Tech@EPR 12:00:02 02/15/10 Re: Re: agreed - aliaZ 12:29:47 02/15/10 Can't say there are too many VGs pushing 1000 HP either - LitlElvis 13:54:43 02/13/10 Re: Can't say there are too many VGs pushing 1000 HP either - Tech@EPR 16:49:27 02/13/10 No denying the cost/performance of Scat/Eagle rods for - LitlElvis 19:01:08 02/13/10 Re: No denying the cost/performance of Scat/Eagle rods for - Tech@EPR 19:45:09 02/13/10 off-shore = Scat/Eagle or any other Chinese forged rod - LitlElvis 20:20:50 02/13/10 what's with you and this 8k rpm obsession? - ZLover4Life 20:40:30 02/13/10 Ok, let me explain... - LitlElvis 11:30:49 02/14/10 I'm not arguing that you haven't picked the right parts. - ZLover4Life 12:04:42 02/14/10 I never said it would be impossible to do below 8K RPM - LitlElvis 12:31:28 02/14/10 I can certainly agree with that. (n/m) - ZLover4Life 12:42:59 02/14/10 Bretts analysis is appropriate for the issue - CaliguyPurdue (Selin Design) 13:29:27 02/15/10 Re: Bretts analysis is appropriate for the issue - ZLover4Life 17:35:44 02/15/10 Yea I think we are on the same page... - CaliguyPurdue (Selin Design) 18:18:22 02/15/10 Interesting... - ZLover4Life 20:33:35 02/15/10 Haha, I was deciding between Purdue and - CaliguyPurdue (Selin Design) 11:47:20 02/16/10 Good idea on the google maps "tour." - ZLover4Life 17:08:29 02/16/10 Do you think 8k is out of the ball park on a 1000hp 3.0? - 550HPTT 00:39:58 02/15/10 Re: off-shore = Scat/Eagle or any other Chinese forged rod - Tech@EPR 21:04:51 02/13/10 It's not the ultimate HP, it's the RPM needed to get there - LitlElvis 14:10:25 02/13/10 Re: It's not the ultimate HP, it's the RPM needed to get there - Tech@EPR 16:51:36 02/13/10 Whats wrong with the stock rods? - RevTech 17:03:52 02/13/10 Re: Whats wrong with the stock rods? - Tech@EPR 17:07:24 02/13/10 Ztuner and SZ were talking about the Eagle caps stretching (n/m) - RevTech 17:18:15 02/13/10 Re: Ztuner and SZ were talking about the Eagle caps stretching - Tech@EPR 17:20:07 02/13/10 That engine was built for his sport 700 car back in the - Machtavian 17:26:29 02/13/10 Re: That engine was built for his sport 700 car back in the - Tech@EPR 19:46:40 02/13/10 That doesn't seem like the point. - SeedyROM 20:06:33 02/13/10 Re: That doesn't seem like the point. - Tech@EPR 21:02:51 02/13/10 i have seen the eagles stretch on our road race car - ztunerz 13:47:20 02/14/10 The stock rods are good for about 650-700 Rwhp, - Machtavian 17:29:25 02/13/10 Re: The stock rods are good for about 650-700 Rwhp, - Tech@EPR 19:38:31 02/13/10 And maybe a little more ;) (n/m) - DVDBURN (MD) 14:06:24 02/14/10 When is the last time you built a 1000HP VG? - LitlElvis 19:18:11 02/13/10 Re: When is the last time you built a 1000HP VG? - Tech@EPR 19:43:36 02/13/10 Only time will tell if your selected bolts will liv - LitlElvis 20:00:03 02/13/10 Re: Only time will tell if your selected bolts will liv - Tech@EPR 21:02:00 02/13/10 You've been quite clear, ARP2000 is good enough for you - LitlElvis 11:53:39 02/14/10 ouch (n/m) - ZiNnYc 17:50:44 02/14/10 Re: You've been quite clear, ARP2000 is good enough for you - Tech@EPR 21:45:44 02/14/10 If it good enough for escort, then im cool with it. (n/m) - toykoz32 23:29:32 02/14/10 You cannot compare the needs of an aluminum rod with that - 550HPTT 00:13:04 02/15/10 Re: You cannot compare the needs of an aluminum rod with that - Tech@EPR 11:53:39 02/15/10 Rationalism vs. Empiricism. - CaliguyPurdue (Selin Design) 17:47:53 02/15/10 Cromoly ftw. (n/m) - bbsalexaz 20:32:56 02/12/10 Duh, chromoly is not a brand........ (n/m) - SimaYi 12:04:55 02/13/10 Crower / Pauter (n/m) - collegeboy 00:35:53 02/13/10 I need to get rid of my brand new Crowers if interested. - collegeboy 00:37:12 02/13/10 What rods are in your build? (n/m) - toykoz32 12:46:44 02/13/10 Custom crowers. The crank and pistons are all custom too. - collegeboy 14:45:42 02/13/10 I'm curious, who told you to keep the hydraulic lifters - LitlElvis 14:40:58 02/13/10 Re: I'm curious, who told you to keep the hydraulic lifters - toykoz32 17:49:48 02/13/10 Carrillo (n/m) - John@Z1 15:36:22 02/13/10
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